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Hi guys so im thinking of getting rid of the mk4 and getting a s3, which one should i go for (210 or 225) also what should i look out for when buying one? whats the difference between the facelift model and not? iv heard that the gear change on the 210 bhp is awful and has been improved for the 225bhp? is this true?

cheers for any help

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Engine Diffrences:
210 is an AMK Engine code, 225 is BAM.

210bhp/199lbft vs 225ps/208lbft. Both cars remap to practically the same. The 210 is actually 212ps, and the 225(ps) is actually 222bhp.

ECU Code for the 225 has an "A" on the end.

There were always rumours that the 210 had stronger internals (20mm wrist pins and different rods), but it seems that this rumour stemmed from the early Audi S3 APY engine (also 210bhp) having stronger rods. However, Yumann's engine (AMK) build thread, he kindly measured the gudgeon pins for us, and they are 20mm. The later BAM engine are supposed to have 19mm wrist pins.

From ETOS and ETKA the block and piston set for AMK :06A 103 101 J and for the BAM : 06A 103 101 J, conrod for AMK : 027 198 401 B, conrod for BAM : 027 198 401 B. So if they are different, nobody told SEAT Parts.

Both engines have VVT, but this is apparently for emissions rather than a VTEC style torque/power shift. Although most cars definitely pull again at about 4,000 rpm). Originally we thought the VVT actuation was different (one mechanical the other hydraulic) but we now understand them to be the same. Again, it is the APY (early 210 S3 engine, never fitted to the LCR) that has mechanical VVT actuation and possibly where the rumour started. Both AMK and BAM have Electro-hydraulic VVT actuation.

The turbo (K04-23 from Borg-Warner), manifold & exhaust are all the same.

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We have a TT and they're almost the same...

Just make sure the haldex has been serviced as well as the engine.

and other than that - pretty much spot on.

obviously, hpi and cheack fo crash damageand if you not sure, well wort letting the RAC o AA doing it..
 

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THought that was interesting about the internals on the 210........
 

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thanks for the advise kaz and stevee,

iv been looking on autotrader etc,but still not found for me!theres one on w reg and they want £7500 for it!a ten year old car[:S]
 

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Thats big mony isnt it.Alot of things alot better value isnt there. Mind you just because they are advertising that price it doesnt mean they are getting it. Could be worth putting a price in on a good example and see if you get any responses.
 

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facelift has a thicker steering wheel, 17" alloys 1 piece front xenon lights with indicators,rear light cluster , differant exterior door handles .

Things to look out for

dash display having no dead pixels (very common fault)

Stereo working correctly (known volume fault)

haldex being serviced (not many people know )
 
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